Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Wounded Warrior Project rejects gun-owners, gun-dealers, gun-manufacturers.

No, I'm not kidding. Wounded Warrior Project is taking center stage as the biggest group of hypocrites this nation has ever seen.

I got an e-mail earlier today from an associate in south-central Texas about this breaking news, and my first reaction was to pick up the phone and accuse the e-mailer of being drunk. Since he doesn't drink, that accusation fell flat.

He was typing as we talked, then he told me to check my in-box. "The proof is in there," he assured me.

Sure as hell. . .

To briefly set this up, Tom Gresham of Gun Talk invited Wounded Warrior Project to be on his show on Veterans Day. What a great way to raise a lot of money in a short amount of time. Veterans are patriotic, and for sure gun-owners are. Gun-owners are also generous when it comes to helping out veterans.

His (Gresham's) invitation was flatly refused.

Thanks to the e-mails being shared openly and publicly with Guns.com, there is no denying where Wounded Warrior Project stands on the issue of guns and gun-owners.

Here is the e-mail exchange between Gresham and the PR chief for Wounded Warrior Project, along with an explanatory intro by one of Gresham's staffers.

Again, thank you to Tom Gresham and Gun Talk and Guns.com for sharing this.

Wounded Warrior Project Email Exchange
by Gun Talk on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 at 10:56am ·
After Sunday's show, we've gotten many emails about Tom's remarks after WWP declined an interview request on Gun Talk Radio because it's a firearms-related show. We've also seen the forums that are suggesting many things that are not true. So, I'm going to lay it all out right here.
We thought it would be great to book the WWP on the Veteran's Day show to promote the organization, so I contacted them. I was flabbergasted when their PR contact, Leslie, sent me an email saying they could not participate because our show dealt with firearms. Knowing that WWP has a booth at SHOT show and various gun shows across the US, takes wounded warriors on hunts and range days, raffles guns and accessories as fundraisers, etc., their policy didn't make much sense. I forwarded the email on to Tom to get his take.
The following is the complete email exchange:
Hello, Leslie:
Sarah forwarded me your email after I asked her to invite the Wounded Warriors Project to join me on "Tom Gresham's Gun Talk" radio show.
I'm stunned at your email saying that the WWP doesn't participate in an interview or activity related to firearms.  Inasmuch as there are 90 million gun owners and most of them support wounded veterans, I think they would be shocked to hear that they are, by way of their hobbies, somehow not worthy of helping with the Wounded Warriors Project.
 Does your policy apply also to police agencies and the military, since they are "related to firearms?"
I'm hoping that we have misunderstood your email.  Can you confirm that it is, in fact, an official policy of the Wounded Warriors Project to not do interviews with or participate in any activity related to firearms?
Thank you.
Tom Gresham

Good afternoon -
While we appreciate your interest in Wounded Warrior Project® (WWP) you are correct that we decline the media opportunity.

Please note the following notice that appears on our website which also applies to WWP public awareness policy and inquiries from media outlets:
WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or firearms companies.
 Thank you for your inquiry.
 public relations director
O: 904.405.1433
 M: 904.654.8138
 F: 904.296.7347

 Wounded Warrior Project
 4899 Belfort Road, Suite 300
 Jacksonville, Florida 32256

Thanks for confirming that, Leslie.  It was a simple opportunity to promote the WWP on a national program in an effort to send donations your way.
 I'll pass along the info that you don't want or need the help of America's gun owners.  
 Best regards,
 Tom Gresham
Good morning --
This policy is not a judgment on those who own and use firearms – clearly every member of our armed forces has been trained in the use of firearms and then called on to use them in the course of their service to this country.
Our position regarding firearms and alcohol is in response to the struggles that many injured service members face with substance abuse and suicide and the roles those items often play in those issues.
 Thank you.
 public relations director
Hello, Leslie:
Thank you for that explanation.
I do think -- and I'm being as kind as possible -- that it's the nuttiest thing I've heard in years. Suicides are not linked to firearms. Japan has a much higher rate of suicide than does the U.S., and they have essentially no firearms. Suicide is a serious issue irrespective of the methodology used.  
This explanation doesn't pass even the most simple "does this make sense" test.
Your policy does, in fact, brand firearms and the companies which make them as undesirables, and by association, you are saying that those who own and use firearms for recreation, hunting, self protection, and other safe and legal uses are to be avoided.
It's certainly your option to ostracize the firearms industry, the 90 million gun owners in America, and the media which support firearms safety training.  
At this point, I feel an obligation to make sure the millions who listen to my radio show and watch my two national television series know about your policy.
I cannot fully express how much I feel you are doing a disservice to our wounded veterans, and how disappointed I am to discover this bias at the Wounded Warriors Project.
Tom Gresham

 The only gifts my wife and I gave out last year were cards reading, "A generous donation has been made to Wounded Warrior Project in your name. Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and Joyous New Year, J.D. & Lois Kinman."

You can bet your last dollar we won't be sending those out this year. We're done with Wounded Warrior Project.



Old NFO said...

Damn, just DAMN...I've worked to raise money for them the last four years, INCLUDING shoots!!! If you don't object, I'm going to link to this. It's just beyond the pale!!!

Murphy's Law said...

Wow. They sure didn't have a problem accepting the cash that we raised for them via our blogshoots the last two years. I guess next year we'll have to find another cause.

Country Tea said...

This makes me sick. There is a paintball event being done to support them not far from me that involves shooting paintball guns. Shouldn't THAT be against their policy also?

Just sick.

GunDiva said...

This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

An Ordinary American said...

Old NFO--link away. Gun-owners all over the nation need to know about this.

Murphy--the sheer hypocrisy is what sickens me. I've seen wounded vets on various outdoor TV shows going on hunts, target shooting, etc with various celebrities and the celebs are talking up Wounded Warrior Project--only now to find out that WWP's official "stance" is nothing to do with firearms or alcohol in terms of association or sponsorship.

Fine. I hope Anheiseur-Busch, Coors and Miller tell them to go jump in a lake. AB has been damn good to our vets. DAMN GOOD. AB is also damn good to gun-owners.

Country Tea--They have no problem, apparently, with accepting money from anyone, but they're not going to allow their "brand" to cross-associate with anything that upsets their sensibilities?

That's the definition of hypocrisy.

Their whole "excuse" about suicide is one-hundred percent unmitigated bullshit.

I'm with y'all--this sickens me to no end.


kx59 said...

Looks like Wounded Warriors got infiltrated by a libtard.
December is donation month for me. Wounded Warriors was on the list.

If they are too good to be seen with me, they won't see any of my cash.
Damn shame if you ask me.

drjim said...

They will NEVER get one more penny from me!
What a crock of crayons.....

OrangeNeck said...

My archery club goes to the VA hospital every month to teach the wounded veterans how to shoot a bow. I'll be passing this information onto our club president and let him take it from there.

kc said...

Firearms are culpable in suicides as much as Jim Beam is culpable in alcoholism...

These are the words of people who don't live in the real world, they live in the world of psychobabble bullsh*t.

instinct said...

I just sent them a very polite but go-to-hell email.

Considering what I have seen out of the gun blogging community from KTKC and the Tam-athon, I think we could form our own charity and take care of our own people without their help at all.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure what all this is about.....but I myself am a wwp alumni...veterans need support, no matter from who, I want to personally say thankyou to everyone for donating you time, money and efforts to support an organization that I am a part of, it truly is humbling.

I've often wondered myself who actually runs the wwp and sets there policies. I've had my own problems with there policies and walked away from an opportunity to get help because of the judgment and inconsideration of the recruiter for the program I was trying to apply for.

With all that being said, please do not stop supporting veterans. thanks

retired US Army SGT Matthew Lacher

Anonymous said...

While I belive that WWP does great work for our vets I do not want to support their hyprocisy. Would you please post some other veteran support groups that are pro gun that gun owners would be proud to support.

Anonymous said...

"WWP does not co-brand, create cause marketing campaigns or receive a percentage or a portion of proceeds from companies in which the product or message is sexual, political or religious in nature, or from alcohol or firearms companies."

Wait,so your radio show is a "Firearms Company"? Really? Does that mean because I talk about beer, I'm and Alcohol company?

RVN11B said...

Add me to the list of pissed off vets, who also still live and breath the shooting game, and doesn't mind a snort every now and then, also.

To the moron who thinks such things are detrimental to the well being of ANY ADULT, who has put his/her butts out there in service to our people and nation, BITE ME!

Dammit I am royally pissed yet again!

Anonymous said...

I'm not gonna tear down the wwp, because they have actually helped me, sent me on some great trips, got to meet lots of great guys like myself, gave me some hope......but to be honest I feel that there a 2 types of veterans, those who have seen combat, and those who have been deployed. The wwp supports all Veterans, and that's great, but why not start the Wounded Combat Warrior Project..........but come up with something better than project, because honestly, I kind of find the word project in this context is really negative, almost disrespectful, this isn't a project to me, it's my life. I'm pretty sure there is not one Combat Vet,and I mean someone with a CIB, that would choose to support an organization that doesn't support guns over one that does, lets just break out and start our own non profit...
John Melia
Executive Director
Steven Nardizzi
Deputy Executive Director, Operations
Albion Giordano
Deputy Executive Director, Programs
Cindy McDonald
Jeffrey Searcy
Executive Vice President of Development
John Roberts
National Service Director
Bruce Nitsche
Executive Vice President of Special Projects
Jeremy Chwat
Executive Vice President of Program Services
Abigail Roberts
Executive Vice President of Marketing

The wwp has become to concerned with there image and money rather than actually really helping vets.....

An Ordinary American said...

Sgt. Lacher,

Trust me when I say that we will never stop caring about, caring for or helping our veterans in need.

You, and other vets, will understand when I say, "I've never met a veteran I didn't already know."

I may not have known their name or their hometown or their family particulars, but based on the fact alone that they strapped on a pair of combat boots and put on their nation's uniform, I know a lot more about them than I do 99% of the non-veterans out there.

We take care of our own.


Deja Skalsky said...

I had to break my comment down to two posts, please read both. here is part one-

Another reason I don't like or agree with Wounded Warrior Project. If you want to help a similar cause that gives back ONE HUNDRED PERCENT to our injured guys, please check out Warrior Foundation or Freedom Station in San Diego. It is an organization I have had the honor and pleasure to volunteer with over the last year and look forward to many more years. Unlike WWP, Warrior Foundation is 100% volunteer based meaning 100% of the proceeds go straight back. No one takes a salary. And with the amount of time these volunteers put in it is truly impressive it is all of their free will out of the goodness of their heart. Isn't that what a non profit should be about anyway? Not about paying workers or spending absurd amounts on advertising. WF does so much for the families of these guys, starting with getting them here in San Diego-flights, hotels, car set up while their hero is flying from Germany to San Diego for care. My personal favorite they hand out Christmas cards to the guys each year with a plane ticket allowing them to wake up in their own bed, in their own home, with their own family on Christmas morning! It doesn't stop there. Every need is met. Lots of fun events as well as full weekend events. I will have you know one of the guys favorite things is going to the local shooting range so how can WWP turn their back on firearms supporters???!!! But WF doesn't stop there. Freedom Station was created to help the guys transition to civilian life. Our government isn't the best at taking care of our vets (surprise surprise) so Freedom Station was set up to step in and pick up their slack. Its close to Balboa Naval Hospital so they can still be there for treatment as often as needed. Its 8 condos and 4 apartments where they can live for up to a year while learning skills to help them transition to being a civilian. Its a BEAUTIFUL place filled with some of Americas bravest heroes. The waiting list is so long they are in the process of trying to open up another Freedom Station. This is where funds are needed and where they truly make such a difference. This is something WWP doesn't offer and something our heroes have so specifically asked for. I know I'm going on and on here but to the blog writer as well as the people who have left comments saying you aren't donating to them anymore, PLEASE look into helping Warrior Foundation and Freedom Station. Your money will be put to amazing things making a true difference. And 100% of it will go to the guys!!!

Deja Skalsky said...

I don't know if I should say this or not but f it, its the truth. Wounded Warrior Project actually contacted the president of Warrior Foundation asking for help to get a family of a guy here at Balboa a hotel and car set up for them. WWP, a much bigger and well known organization contacted the small and locally known WF asking for help for something they couldn't provide!!!!! What???!!!!! With all their donations and all the money they seem to have (advertising isn't cheap, think of how much they advertise) they couldn't provide for a family???!!!! Makes me wonder what their donations are TRULY going to. Other than huge paychecks, of course. Makes me sick. To turn a family down and have to contact a small truly non profit organization. Talk about dropping the ball there. I would strongly encourage you to look into where your money is actually going. Do you want your money to make a difference or do you want your money in the pockets of a 6 figure income president of a "non profit" organization? I need to add I am not discrediting what WWP does and has done for our heroes. I just know there are smaller organizations doing good who don't have the national attention WWP gets. Those smaller organizations are the ones that need help to stay up and running in order to be hands on with the guys who need us. Sorry this got so long. I can go on and on and on about how incredible Warrior Foundation/Freedom Station is but this is long enough ;) Please email me or look up WF of FS for any information or questions you may have. Or to hear how Warrior Foundation was started. Now that is the most incredible part of all of this. One woman saw a couple injured guys, asked how she could help and wouldn't take no for an answer. 8 years later 8.9 million dollars have been raised meaning 8.9 million dollars have been given back. Incredible. Maybe you can direct your audience to these two causes instead of Wounded Warrior Project? I know many will still want to give back and help our wounded coming home and this is a great way to do so.

-Deja Skalsky




Anonymous said...

WWP started as an honorable organization but it has all become about the ego of their people in charge! They squeezed out the founder and give themselves huge salaries. While they do good works the amount that is spent on the "executive" group is disgusting!

Anonymous said...

The list of names and salaries are several years old as listed above. the new crew makes way more money and is all about making themselves look good, total hypocrites!

Here is the current list and I'll find their bloated salaries and post them.

Steven Nardizzi, Esq.- executive director

Albion Giordano- deputy executive director

Adam Silva-chief development officer

Jeremy Chwat- chief program officer

Ronald Burgess- chief financial officer

Ayla Hay- communications executive vice president

Bruce G. Nitsche- special projects executive vice president

Christine Hill- government affairs executive vice president

John Hamre- direct response executive vice president

John Molino- programs chief of staff

John Roberts- warrior relations executive vice president

Jonathan Sullivan- development executive vice president

Richard Stieglitz- physical health & wellness executive vice president

Ryan Pavlu- warrior engagement executive vice president

Dave Ward- mental health and family services executive vice president

They preach "Duty and Honor" as long as it fills their wallets and makes them feel good about themselves....

Miss Ladybug said...

I am a local volunteer in Austin for Soldiers' Angels. If you are looking for somewhere else to send your money - where is helps way more veterans than WWP - you can donate there www.soldiersangels.org). Soldiers' Angels has more than 200,000 volunteers across the country and very few paid staff (with an organization this big, you do need a handful of full-timers to keep the admin stuff going).

Justin USMC said...

I am a Marine Veteran who fought my claim with the VA for 7 years. When they FINALLY settled, I had a little bit of back-pay that was owed. I had made a promise to the MAN UPSTAIRS, that if they settled, and actually PAID me the back-pay, that I would donate a portion to the WWP... There was a Memorial Day Ceremony in San Antonio this year, and we set up a whole presentation at the Harley Davidson Dealership, for me to donate $5,000 to them.... THEY NEVER SHOWED UP!!! They just sent a reply email that pretty much said that they "don't need my money".... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!
For the people that want to know of an organization that is awesome: COMBAT MARINE OUTDOORS.

It is an organization that takes our wounded warriors on hunting trips and other adventures!!
I personally know a few of the guys that run it, and they have helped me through a few of my own "problems".
They also have a facebook page.


Semper Fi!!

Anonymous said...

I initiated a project in 2005 that takes these combat wounded veterans back out to the range and get them up to speed with their marksmanship skills. The M1 for Vets Project is alive and well, no paid employees, and so many smiles! We also have presented over 375 rebuilt M1 Garands to these Warriors. And to think WWP shys away from this is just wrong. We can use all the help you can give us, as our list of men and women grows each day!

Anonymous said...

As a Veteran an a GUN owner, I can't understand how they come to say that, I seen WWP at Gun shows in Dallas-Fort Worth many times. They get many donations from people there. PR- heads like to show up, ask for hunts, range time...

Anonymous said...

Disgusting. Give to Eagle Summit Ranch instead. It's run by someone who's been there and done it and (barely) lived to tell about it. And now he devotes his time to efforts to helping others going through the same thing.


Jesus said...

How about giving the Semper Fi Fund some air time. They work with Wounded, Ill and Injuried Marines and Navy Corpsmen. Just a thought.

An Ordinary American said...

. I suggest to quit being selfish, and quit complaining about WWP. If you do not care for them, find someone else that you like, and shut your mouth.

Was wondering how long it would take for some of the Brady Bunch to find their way over. . .

By the way, talk to some Vietnam veterans or Gulf War veterans who've tried to get assistance from WWP. Ask them how well that went.

So until you do that, you can shut your own mouth.


Anonymous said...

I didn't read all of the comments here but I'll say that agree with the overall consensus. Just please please keep in mind that the WWP is NOT the VA. Also, if you're looking for a similar cause to donate to that isn't the WWP, consider the Fisher House Foundation. I don't work for the FHF. I'm actually an active duty soldier, currently deployed. I've actually seen what the FHF does for wounded and recovering service members and their families first hand. Its a worthy cause.

Billy Cason said...

The 46th Special Forces Company (Airborne) Association has a "Wounded Warrior" Cruise every two years. The reason why we have it every two years is that it takes us two years to gtet enough donations to provide the Free Cabins to our "Wounded Warriors" from all branches of service and their wives or significant others, We also try to defray the cost of transportation to and from the Port of Debarkation, which is usually Miami or Fort Lauderdale. Our organization has no paid Board Members or Volunteers. All donations go to buying more cabins on the cruise and helping those who need help with the transportation. A lot of people think they are donationg to our cause when they actually donate to "The Wounded Warrior Project" . We receive no donations of any kind from any other Charity or from any of the many large Defense Contractors. Most of our donations come from sales of our T-Shirts and donations from individuals and small businesses. You can find more on our Web Site at www.46thsfca.org.

Thanks for all your support.


Billy Cason
46th SFCA Association
2838 Croix Court
Virginia Beach, VA 23451

Anonymous said...

Have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving to all !!!

Anonymous said...

They had strike one on them after I read that they don't help any vet who served prior to the the Gulf War, meaning Vietnam Vets get the shaft again. They got strike two after they changed that to say they don't help any vet who served prior to 9/11/2001, as if if these men and women serving prior to that date no longer matter and are a waist of time and resources to them. This anti-gun stance is strike three and I wouldn't help them in any way other than help carry them all to the nearest trash dump. Like all politicians they care only about themselves and their paychecks which totaled over $4.6 million and those thieves they gave the exorbitant amount of $21 million plus to last year to raise their working capital.

Anonymous said...

I guess they shouldn't accept any money from anyone that drives a car either then since cars cause drunk drivers using their logic!

Phelan said...

I dealt with their PR this summer. Nothing about guns were mentioned at that time. However. . .

Every year I choose a charity to fundraise for. I chose WWP until I contacted them to let them know what I was doing. I kept all their emails about this.

I was not allowed to hold my blogathon in their name without paying a $100 fee. I told them I was a poor homesteader and that fee was a bit steep. I would never see any of the donations as the entire thing was to be held online. PR told me that without the fee I was not even allowed to use the name. And suggested that I just tell my readers it was some vet charity. When I said that would be akin to fraud and that there was no way my readers would donate to some unknown charity , and that in my 7 years of doing this I had never had a charity require me to pay an upfront fee, they refused to respond.

I declined and raised money for vets 2 pets.

RegT said...

This is an old post, so I don't know who might read this, but allow me to tell you WWP is full of shit.

My last occupation before I retired was as a registered nurse in the Mental Health Service of the Roseburg, OR VA Medical Center. I worked directly with vets in both acute psychiatry and in the PTSD program. Guns were not an issue with our vets, and the only vet I knew who committed suicide during or after receiving care from us was a guy who jumped to his death off of a railroad bridge. Guns were never an issue. Let me say that again for the cheap seats at Wounded Warrior Project: guns were never an issue.

As someone else posted, the progressives have taken this group over, and are imposing their own agenda. Screw them. They have proven by their behavior - and by the salaries they are paying themselves - that vets don't matter, only their agenda matters. Stay away from them, and donate to an organization that actually helps vets.

Guns said...

the whole content and conversation is really helpful to understand it and make it more clear about that.

thelok said...

A charity that I support is the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. http://www.specialops.org/

Mission Statement

The Special Operations Warrior Foundation provides full scholarship grants and educational and family counseling to the surviving children of special operations personnel who die in operational or training missions and immediate financial assistance to severely wounded special operations personnel and their families.

I feel that it is not only our brave that make great sacrifices.

Thank you to all who put our country first.

A Colonel of Truth said...

Injured Marine Semper Fi Fund - minimal overhead and mostly run by volunteers from within the Marine Corps family. They'll welcome support. www.semperfifund.org

Unknown said...

As someone who's father was in the corps in the late 70a, I've grown up with guns and a Deep sense of military pride. When I competed in two Tough mudder events this summer, I thought my donations would be going to WWP. Which, I thought was a highly sportive program for wounded vets. We even have a display and donation bucket at my work! Which, by the way, is a police equipment and gun shop (which we're having great business, thanks to the election ;) )!! But after reading this, and hearing their policies repeatedly discredit and UN associate themselves with the single most important thing any military person has, I can't in good conscience support them anymore. There goes they're monthly support from me!
Thanks to all that gave new programs that truly help warriors. I can personally vouch for the M1 for Vets program! Every year at the national rifle matched in Ohio, there's a big production for them and every year its ended with everyone in tears as the soldier is reunited with an old piece of his heart.
My dad always said, This is my gun. There are many like it. But this one is mine.
The only thing that stays closer to a soldiers at night than the picture of his family or sweetheart, is his rifle. And it will never die, God help us.
Semper FI and hoorah!

Kim said...

I have seen this coming up and found it sad. It shouldn't ever matter where the money comes from. Honestly as long as it is not from illegal crimes who cares. Help people. Our vets deserve it.

On a side note oh favorite blog friend you need to check your facebook messages more often, lol. Since I have been sick and focusing on work and getting better I have missed our chats and saw you posting on A Girl's statuses and tried to friend you. Accept it darn it!

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...



Big show said...

Our government isn't the best at taking care of our vets (surprise surprise) so Freedom Station was set up to step in and pick up their slack. Its close to Balboa Naval Hospital so they can still be there for treatment as often as needed. Its 8 condos and 4 apartments where they can live for up to a year while learning skills to help them transition to being a civilian. Its a BEAUTIFUL place filled with some of Americas bravest heroes. The waiting list is so long they are in the process of trying to open up another Freedom Station. This is where funds are needed and where they truly make such a difference.


Courageous said...

Very concerned I have been researching this ... Satisfied that this is tragic, I posted on the WWP fb page. They responded. https://www.facebook.com/wwpinc.fans/posts/10151644110308415?comment_id=26787100&offset=0&total_comments=1&notif_t=feed_comment
I will continue to uncover facts as I can find them. This is seriously troubling to me.

Anonymous said...

This is truly a great read for me. I am looking forward to reading new articles. Keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...

Glad I found this article.

The wife and I had discussed adding WWP to our annual charitable contribution list.

Oh well. Ain't gonna happen until I'm assured this policy is repealed.

Maybe you Wounded Warriors can affect their attitude.

Until then, we'll look for better options.

We've already added The Fisher House but now I want to know about their policies first.


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